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policy to go into africa, greece, the bahamas, jamaica and panama. >> that will do it for tonight. thank you all for being with us. that's "hardball" for now. thank you for being with us. chris matthews returns next week. join us tuesday. "all in" starts right now. tonight, i said if it is possible, would you let me know? am i under investigation? he said you are not under investigation. >> a potentially huge piece of new evidence. the original letter that trump wanted to send to fire his fbi director now in the hands of the special counsel. >> i think he is worried that i was fired because of the russia investigation. >> the growing case for obstruction of justice. then the deadline for dakota la. >> sometime -- for daca. >> the latest will be monday. >> we'll make announcement on
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tuesday. >> the president caught between hard liners and everybody else. >> we love the dreamers. we love everybody. >> this president is a president who loves people. >> then new details about what russia did during the election and the revolving door of the white house. go gorka is out. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. why did the president of the united states fire a former fbi director james comey. that's the question that's the heart of the investigation being led by special counsel robert mueller. whether the president himself committed criminal obstruction of citizens. today we learned for the first time the president himself wrote down his reasons for firing comey in a letter he planned to send him on the day of the firing. a letter drafted with the help from white house aide be steven
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miller. that letter was never sent to comey he has frequently failed to restrict the president from his impulses found contents of this letter to be so problematic he convinced him not to send it. that letter is now reportedly in the hands of the special counsel robert muellerer. what i says, we don't know for sure. according to the "wall street journal," they wanted him to state that he, donald trump, was not personally under investigation. the administration official paraphrasing says you've you told us three times i'm not under investigation but you won't tell world it is and hampering the country. several people described it -- that letter was never sent. instead a shorter note was publicly released by the white house along with memos from jeff sessions and the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and the
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official rationale became his handling of the clinton e-mail investigation. notably that he was too hard on hillary clinton. for days, he insisted the president he acted on the recommendation of the justice department. >> i think the president was given a recommendation by the deputy attorney general who the fbi director reports to. the attorney general concurred with that. that he had lost the confidence to lead the fbi. >> the president took strong and decisive leadership here to put the safety and security of the american people first. by accepting the recommendation of the deputy attorney general. >> isn't try it the president had already decided to fire jim comey and he asked the justice department to put together the rationale for that firing? >> no. >> you heard all that. now message, they second his message, not the idea. that lasted a couple days until president himself sat down with
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lester holt and admitted, he had intended to fire comey all along and hit something 22nd the russia investigation which comey then supervised. >> regardless of recommendation, i was going to fire him. knowing there was no good time to do it. and in fact, when i decided to just do it, i said to myself, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made-up story. an excuse by the democrats for having lost an mexico they should have won. >> days later, the times reported in a minute with top russian diplomats, the day after comey was let go, the president told them, i just fired the head of the fbi. he was crazy. a real nut job. i faced pressure because of russia. that's taken off. remember, comey had confirmed in congressional testimony less than two months earlier that the trump administration was under investigation for ties to russia. but comey stopped short of
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announcing the president himself was not personally under investigation which he later acknowledged, having informed the president in private. comey said he resisted pressure explaining that he worried about having to update the public. he recounted other fwamts the president to influence. >> his fbi director including an order to drop the investigation into the former national security adviser michael flynn. order to drop the investigation into the former national security adviser michael flynn. >> this is the president speaking. i hope you can see to letting him go. he is a good guy. i hope you can let this go. those are his exact words. >> correct. i keep saying his words, i took it as a direction. this is the president of the united states with me alone saying, i hope this. i took it as, this is what he wants me to do. i didn't obey that but that's the way i took it. >> we just learned the
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president's attorneys have been meeting with mueller specifically to lay out arguments against a charge of obstruction of justice submitting memo that's call into question his reliability. but this is what is already an expanding universe of evidence at mueller's disposal including documents, seebt testimony, and now, anything connected by the criminal investigations unit including the president's own tax returns. glen, let's start with you on the memo. it appears that basically what was happening in the white house is that the president really wanted to fire and many a lot of people didn't want him to. and then what happened? >> then what happened is the president went ahead with drafting along with steven miller, that is one of the unique facets.
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the chief speech writer and his main policy appointment on, immigration, the keeper of the flame of economic nationalism with the departure of steve bannon, has now been dragged into the russia investigation for the first time. that's a significant development. don mcgann who is essentially a matador white house counsel no, other way to put it, actually has on several occasions, particularly in the comey matter. and we've reported this in a bunch of stories prior to this. has tried to pump the brakes a lot. it was mcgann who brought ty cobb inside the white house because he believed that he needed someone working on the pay roll. so mcgann has played this role. one of the interesting questions raised by this letter, the letter itself is fascinating. but how much is don mcgann willing to swallow in his job as
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counsel? he is constantly being noticed. mcgann we've seen in story after story is left in the dust by the president. and you know, i hadn't heard the lester holt interview for quite some time. when you hear it fresh, it is one of the most extraordinary things i've ever heard a president admit. >> particularly, what is so crazy about this set of facts before us, to glen's point, when you hear the lester holt interview fresh, particularly in the days leading up to it, and police italy saying this was done on recommendation. the vice president saying that. the entire way it was gone about was one of arti itface is bad faith. >> we haven't seen the letter but it seems to be an invaluable
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window into what the president was thinking and the lead-up to his firing of comey. my sources have told me that rod rosenstein was absolutely livid with the white house for citing him as the reason the president decided to fire comey. if you read the memo that rosenstein gave to the white house, it didn't actually call for comey's firing. rosenstein is an incredibly intelligent lawyer. leaving out a line saying i think comey should be fired was not a mistake. that was on that you recall. if you read the memo, the implication seems to be that he wanted comey to be fired. but he didn't say that. when you had all those surrogates for trump parading before the cameras saying rose rosenstein told to us fire comey, it made him absolutely irate. that has caused an enormous amount of anger at the he justice department and the white house. this has been simmering for a long time but shows no sign of
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abating and i think is feeding into why the president has criticized, not only rod rosenstein but jeff sessions. remember, we haven't yet seen evidence that those two men have really reconciled. have broken bread and come together. you can't overstate the significance of the tensions there. >> i want to note something. that rosenstein has a copy or had a copy of the actual original -- i think it is described in the "new york times" as screened by a source. there's the word skribner which popped up. you have rosenstein has the original copy of that letter. what i think is so significant is the fact this is such a turning point in all of this. it is a turning point about people around the president with the ideological fashion. so it appears that reince,
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bannon and others, saying do not fire comey. that would be cataclysmic. what the president, he ran through the stop signs. you have to wonder why. >> one of the people who urged him to run through was his son-in-law jared kushner. i happened by accident of history to have pool duty on the fateful weekend he made this decision. we were told, he is enjoying a quiet weekend his family, his daughter ivanka and his son-in-law jared kushner. little did we know, kushner was the one of that group sort of opposite of don mcgann, urging little to fire comey. do you want to know why? because kushner claimed that democrats would rally trump's cause in defense of trump because they hated comey over the hillary stuff. the other thing struck me, i was in the briefing 28 sarah huckabee sanders, i was sympathy
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with her and with spicer having to go out and tell things that weren't true. but sarah essentially said that you know, the president moving forward, sarah was asked specifically about the original cover story about hillary clinton. and when you realize they were tell a casual lie about the reason for firing him when the president was sitting behind the scenes drafting a letter pointedly indicating it was the russia investigation. that sit troublesome true. the fact the cover story was so disingenuous. that's been totally lost in this entire story. >> everyone should read that daily beast piece about the irs and mueller working together. and there's a "times" piece which is basically what you would expect with a lot of
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fascinating details. as to what this could possibly mean, i'm joined by craft -- >> i want to point out that the number of episodes of possible obstruction are not limited to just firing mr. comey. he first fired the person who told him that flynn had been compromised and could be a problem. sally yates. then he told comey, don't investigate flynn. couldn't you drop it? when he didn't drop it, he got fired. and the list goes on and on. we can keep going into the many possible things. the false statements that he drafted for his son about the june meeting is another possible obstruction. the promise of pardons to all the other people involved is another possible obstruction. the message he swenlt the arpaio
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pardon, don't worry, you don't have to cooperate. i'll pardon you if you are held in contempt. he is asking sessions to intervene and drop the arpaio. there's a number of things that to go obstruction well beyond this. the letter itself, until we see it, we're only speculating. but it is one more obvious important trail of them trying to find a saleable excuse for having fired him. if the reason had anything to do with what they first claimed, the hillary e-mails, they would have double it when he first was inaugurated. they wouldn't have waited until may. so that's not a believable excuse. and it just shows that they were trying to find something that the public might buy. >> do you think republicans on the hillary are, they're sort of parallel tracks. the mueller investigating,
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infiltration, coordination, whatever it was between the trump campaign and the russians, maybe there's nothing but there's quite a few points of contact. how concerned do you think they are? it seems they're setting themselves up. where the threshold bar is, you have to find some smoking gun or collusion or all of this is nothing despite the various taxes president has taken. >> yeah. i think that's true. i think what they're really looking for is just the political dynamic among their own base. and i think that speaks directly to this letter question. where trump drafts a letter that in the end isn't advanced. it says the same thing that the ultimate letter said. it says that comey had told him privately that he wasn't under an investigation. and then wanted comey to say that publicly. there's a reason why donald trump so badly wanted comey to
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do that. we can speculate but there are a couple of possibilities. number one is he was probably trying to box in the fbi and comey to a certain degree to make it difficult to pursue an investigation against the president. which is exactly the preen comey didn't want to do it. the reason why he didn't. the other thing speaks to your question, focused like laser on defending his base. that protects his flank in the house. he needs to hold on to his 35% of the american electorate. it protects him in the house so he is protected against impeachment. so if comey comes out and says we're not investigating the president. if the president comes out and says that for him. that helps protect him politically and keeps that going. that protection going. i think that's effective. if you're donald trump trying to
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protect himself in an impossible situation, you can make an argument form. i'm disappointed to say this. they should be doing what's best for the country. especially in the house, many republicans are more looking to what the possible sentiment is among base rather than what's the threshold here. we know donald trump is a problem. what substantive pressure is there for moving on impeachment. >> i want to ask you, the federal prosecutor has been on the program. this is first time that miller is really involved in any of this. that's a crime called conspiracy. he's responsible for the acts of a co-conspirator but it has miller open and exposed in a way he wasn't before. >> it does.
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it absolutely does. i would like the add to something evan said. if what we're reading is true it shows that everything revolves around donald trump. it was ball him. he was mad because the director of the fbi wouldn't say he wasn't under investigation. he didn't care about anything else. it was really focused on him. and the other thing i want to point out, we don't need an underlying crime. even if there is no collusion between donald trump or any of his team, and the russians, the obstruction still is a crime. and that's important to know. the underlying crime needs to be investigated. our democracy depends on fair elections. but it doesn't require it for an obstruction of justice. >> people should consider how remarkable and preposterous it is for the president of the united states to sit down with a speech writer to wail verbally
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on a guy he doesn't like. about to fire the fbi director. then have to be reeled back this for the process before he does it. many thanks. coming up, the will he or won't he? he has real consequences for more than 800,000 people. trump's moment to choose between the heart and the base in two minutes. rs with boundless energ. but lower back pain won't stop him from keeping up. because at a dr. scholl's kiosk he got a recommendation for our best custom fit orthotic to relieve his foot, knee, or lower back pain, from being on his feet. by reducing shock and stress on his body with every step. so look out world, dad's taking charge. dr. scholl's. born to move. it's time for the biggest sale of the year with the new sleep number 360 smart bed.
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we will immediately terminate president obama's two illegal executive amnesties in which he defied federal law and the constitution to give amnesty to approximately 5 million illegal immigrants. 5 million. >> donald trump repeatedly promised to end daca, children
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other live and work here illegally. the white house is promising a final decision soon on whether it will continue the program. the program allows 800,000 people, dreamers as many of them are known, to earn paychecks without fear. but president trump seems to be torn the white house wavered on when the white house would make a decision. >> a decision on daca? >> sometime today or over the weekend. >> should dreamers be worried? >> we love the dreamers. we love everybody. thank you very much. thank you. >> we'll be releasing on daca sometime over the weekend. probably sunday, saturday. the latest will be monday. >> i just spoke with the president. and we're in the process of finalizing that decision. and those details. and we're going to make that announcement on tuesday of next week. >> all right.
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there's really only one major constituency that favors kicking out the dreamers, resingleding dakota la and that is base. represented by stephen miller and jeff sessions. in contrast to fighting to keep the program are an array of people including basically every democratic politician, the dreamers themselves the most stake in it, cias, and senator orrin hatch tweeted his disagreement even paul ryan. >> there is a lot in the news right now that the president might be looking at pulling back daca. the dreamer's act. >> yeah, i mean i actually don't think he should do that and i think this is something congress has to fix. >> in 2015, a group of dreamers had met with trump but were told they had successfully changed
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his mind. gabby joins me now west lake a florida congressman who oppose da daca. i remember reading at the end of it, donald trump shook your hand and said you've convinced me. what happened in that meeting? >> well, we had a great conversation with the then donald trump, now president. and he had a lot of questions for us. he didn't know about immigrationest asked us, why haven't you hired an attorney to deal with your problems? we explained, even if we hired the best attorney in the united states, there is no legal way for to us get some sort of status. so we explained to him dakota la and how important -- daca and how important it was. he said you convinced me.
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>> to set the table, in 2014 all but 11 congressmen vote to get rid of daca. now you have rick scott, florida governor very conservative, coming out today. your governor. saying he's in favor of illegal immigration but against punishing kids for their parents's action. >> i don't think he had any clarity. that was a perfectly political statement. and it is a privilege for me to be on with gabby. let me say that right out front. here's what main street thinks. i bought into the republican narrative that there were constitutional principles involved when we confronted on president obama on what were four executive orders. i took to the house floor and screamed and yelled that this
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president at the time was acting outside of his executive authority. that it should be within the legislature. guess what. when it came time for leadership elections, i said when are we going to move immigration reform? one of the republican leaders said, do you know what the american people will do to us if we pass comprehensive immigration reform? that's when i realized the fix was in. it was a home. i bought into the constitutional separation of powers, not wanting to fwlee republican party was against comprehensive immigration reform but they are. that's what this president is dealing with. it is why gabby met with this. >> to go back to gabby, to your reference to the meeting, and you've been talking about this for a while. the politics of this are upside down for the president. this is, a poll on this, 64%
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support, 30% oppose. you have a business exec letter from apple. today you had the attorney general, a group of attorney generals, suing the president, resingleded when they thought it would be dropped. do you think that matters? >> i think it completely matters. the opposition is not there. i don't really see where the opposition is to this. except now no longer ten attorney generals but nine. the attorney general decide d i don't want to be part of this. this threat they have put on trump to sue daca is a false threat. there's nothing there. even if they were to try to sue, i don't know what the legal standing would be, it wouldn't be a case probably until a year. >> so there's a lawsuit, nine
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attorney generals, all republicans, who are suing and they've issued this somewhat artificial deadline. but to your point, it is interesting to watch the wind shift. i want to give you a more cynical interpretation of your actions. basically that druch keeps making the mistake of calling republicans. when they could vote to repeal it, now it's daca and everyone voted to repeal it. he said you guys wanted it. everyone is freaking out. >> you nailed it. i don't think people were taking the students al' position. >> to the numbers you presented,
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understand that president trump's base, that 35%, 100% of them want to keep, or want to do away with daca. that's no question. this is a president who pardoned joe arpaio because he was racially profiling people based on the color of their skin and he was cheered for that pardon. so going into tuesday, is this a president that goes to the bannon advice or to the kelly advice? i took my licks and learned my lesson. we were a party without constitutional conviction and this was only about being against comprehensive reform. >> to his point, the two groups , they were talking about this all the time. thank you for your time. >> still ahead, that building is
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at a price you can feel good about no wonder kraft is so good. there was acrid black smoke pouring out of the building today. temperatures hit 100 degrees today, prompting the national weather service to issue an excessive heat warning. you'll recall in december president obama seized two russian compounds and expelled 35 diplomats in response specifically to russian interference in the election.
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russia didn't respond in kind which was surprising and possibly due to assurances from former national security adviser mike flynn the trump administration would reverse the decision before the a month ago, the senate joined the house and overwhelmingly passed sanctions and president trump ultimately signed the built, though he made clear he wasn't happy about it. then vladimir putin responded ordering the staff, it was strangely welcomed by president trump, but which then prompted the state department to order russia to close its consulate in san francisco. a game of tit for tat. the russians were only given 48 hours to move out. when any diplomatic building is being abandoned, things tend to get set on fire. when firefighters showed up at the consulate today, a russian official assured them everything was fine. they said that they were simply
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most of the attention on russia's influence on the election has been on e-mail hacking and possible collusion with the trump administration rather than on what actually went down on election day. that's starting to change. in june, the intercept published
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a to have secret nsa report including a cyber attack on a voting supplier. the election software was used in the democratic strong hold of durham, north carolina. that's the same place where scores of voters were turned away due to software snafus. we don't know if it was due to russian hacking. and they operated in seven other states. today "the new york times" reports that the hacking was more disclosed than previously disclosed, and at least two other providers of critical had election services well ahead of the 2016 voting. >> so let's start, i think foreign policy took a snap shot. there's a russian trade consulate where they're not even doing it inside. what are you trying to hide? this is standard operating
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procedure. >> if those ashes could talk. they're trying to clear house and this is real. the facility will be taken by the united states government. whatever is left is free game. >> whatever diplomatic facility in any regime. >> absolutely. >> so the times story was fascinating. whatever one is it highlighted one aspect that in some ways it is the most troublesome and the least focused. there's so much on russia and trump understandably. in terms of will the 2018 elections be messed with, this is had a huge implications this has huge fear. that one came in and physically messed with the actual tabulation. >> we have no evidence of that happening. >> even if they didn't do it, the fact people believe that he undermines the belief in that core institution.
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that alone has huge implications. >> it was clear in the "new york times" reporting and other places is that the system so disperse that had the amount, the security protocols vastly varied and there's no system to frequent architecture. >> that's right. when you look at whether to check, the actual vote tabulation, you realize that there's secondary and tertiary companies involved. so what doims they fall under? one of the big things we look at, one of the things they can do is buy american companies. at what level do we look at this and say how far down the slope do we have to figure out -- >> if you're a county in louisiana, you're at the border elections for the county and you sent out the rfp for the contract to run your software, you don't know how good their security is. >> and that's happening --
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>> not that there's anything wrong with bulgaria, but they may outsource to it a bulgarian firm. you don't know. >> part of what is so frustrating about this entire, through the looking glass moment, it seems like i can't tell if we're starting to get paranoid or it is justified. and then it seems like the paranoia is the part of the interference. >> the russians don't even have done anything to keep the paranoia going. 2018, we're of course going to wonder when the elections come out if the numbers are real. there will be a real fear that your vote doesn't come out. >> not only fear about that. the times article highlighted, systems break down all the time. i've worked around elections for most of my adult life. and this election problem here.
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now you have this doubt in the back of your mind. >> that's right. president obama did add elections to the critical infrastructure. the russians would have a very good motivation to not actually do that. that would be an escalation that they would not want to cross. >> who does president trump talk on? first the very excellent thing one thing two after the break.
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nine people out of the setting in the court wearing the black robes. you're in luck. we just spotted a supreme court justice in the wild. sonja sotomayor at a baseball game. and wait, she's wearing a robe to yankee stadium? do they just wear robes around wherever they go? there's an answer to that in thing two.
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supreme court justice sonia sotomayor at theian game in the judge's chambers wearing the judge's robe. she is a die hard yankee fan. she was born and raised in the bronx. even though judge went hitless last night, the real judge still returned a favorable verdict. >> in the judge's chambers, a real big time judge in the glasses. that's judge sonia sotomayor of the supreme court of the united states. i mean wish i had time to take care of my portfolio, but.. well, what are you doing tomorrow -10am? staff meeting. noon? eating. 3:45? uh, compliance training. 6:30? sam's baseball practice. 8:30? tai chi. yeah, so sounds relaxing. alright, 9:53? i usually make their lunches then, and i have a little vegan so wow, you are busy. wouldn't it be great if you had investments that worked as hard as you do?
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sebastian gorka left the white house a week ago. he it is still insisting he chose to leave. >> when you have one of the most important national security
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speeches in his early tenure not mention the key phrase, radical islam or radical islamic terrorism, you have to take the game to the outside. so we're we have a whole slew of tools -- i was going say weapons but let's say tools, let's say a basket full of tools for our fellow deplorables that we can use on the outside to support the president and get the maga train running on its rails. >> today maga phase two appar t apparently began with gorka humping his items into the car outside the white house gates, which would make sense since his status had been changed to do not admit. with this departure it might seem to new white house chief of john kelly making his mark, but then comes news of outgoing david clark who's fasded repeated allegations of
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mistreatment of inmates in his jails within some of them have died and is expected to take a job in the trump administration according to two sources familiar with the matter, reports politico. how much of a grip does john kelly va in the west wing and what about trump calling steve bannon from his personal cell phone when kelly is not around? that story just around this break. you know who likes to be in control? this guy. check it out! self-appendectomy! oh, that's really attached.
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sick of it. in a piece published today the washington post reports that the president continues to call business friends and outside advisers from his personal phone from people who have knowledge of the calls. lawrence, the last time i had you on this program, kelly had just been hired amidst the insane scaramucci scandal and you said the day one test is the scaramucci gets sent packing day one. well called. what do you think of the kelly tenure so far. >> the job is exactly what kelly is trying to define it to be. that's what he's supposed to be the person who controls access to the president. you know, richard nixon militarized this title into chief of staff. before that the job was called the appointments secretary.
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because appointments, time with the president is the single most valuable thing that exists in the white house. and for the president time alone is a most valuable thing that the president can have, especially if the president has any kind of contempt la tif life at all, any ability to think. and you'll often see, chris as you know of presidential memoirs, that's the thing they wished they had more time of. just a way to stop the sensation of the world coming at them at 200 miles an hour all day. kelly is doing what the job is supposed to be. and of course this white house absolutely can't bear it. and apparently, according to our inside reports at this point, the person who can't stand it the most is the man who's being protected from all of that craziness, donald trump. >> of course. there's a great new times peas publish published, forceful chief of staf grates on trump and the feeling is mutual.
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trump dress down kelly in front of people and kelly said that's the first time he had been talked to that way in 35 years of public service. and the question the hangs over the piece is not when trump will fire kelly, it's when will kelly get sick of it and leave. >> and they make the point that tremp needs tell kelly more than kelly needs trump. and in today's military, people at the higher end are much more educated than they have been in the past. west point has been turning out a combination of scholars and warriors. now more so than ever. and you can get through 35 years in our military now, as kelly apparently has, without getting yelled at by a crazy man. and one of the many reasons for that is that the person who has the power to yell at you in the military also has the pow tore give you orders, orders that you must not question, orders that you must carry out on the spot. and so you don't have to yell when you can give someone an
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order. >> you're not fighting over what you're going to do, which is the whole point of arguments. >> right. exactly. and so for kelly, of course this would be a shocking style and a shocking thing to fit. but obviously he's a smart enough guy as anyone out there would be to know this is what he was walking into and i'm sure at the outset he and his wife had a discussion about we don't know how long this one is going to last. >> what do you make of -- i was surprised about the sheriff clark news, david clark news yesterday partly because his name had been floated at dhs. it seemed clear that no one at dhs wanted him. some off the record quotes saying no, no. it appears he may be going to the white house. that to me signals that whatever control kelly has managed to exert it's not total. >> let's see what actually happens here. if he makes it into the white house, that almost any gates getting rid of bannon and sebastian gorka.
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that's the flow going the wrong way. this is the kind of person that kelly was getting out of the white house. but the reason why you should be suspecting the white house is it's really hard to conceive of this guy getting confirmed by the senate for anything at any level. and i don't think if he's wise at all, i don't think he would want to try to go through the senate confirmation process. that leaves us with something inside the white house that doesn't need confirmation. >> it also leaves the white house unbelievably understaffed. >> yes. >> not just the white house, the entire federal government is running headless at this point. >> well, and the good news of that, in most cases, is that what you have are career people who are filling into the spot that a trump appointee would go. the country is better off in the condition that's in right now, the staffing levels that it's in right now. and the one who person absolutely has no idea that it's
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understaffed is the president. he has not the slightest idea how many desks are supposed to be filled by who doing what in the white house. >> lawrence o'donnell, thost of the last word life tonight in one hour. >> it's that friday night trump watch, chris. you never know on friday night. >> you do not want to leave your seat for that. stay right there. thank you, lawrence. that is all in for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now with joy reid in for rachel. >> thank you. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. rachel will be back next week. now we have a ton and a half to tell you about this evening. the white house has spent the week hinting and signaling about an eminent decision from the president on the fate of 800,000 young immigrants in this country. and tonight we have some surprising news from that story which we did not see coming and we'll be getting to that news tonight. but tonight the chemical plant that we've been telling you about in crosby,


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